LOCKE from LOST II (the LJ war continues)

gamgeefest and I are still debating dear John Locke of Lost. ^_^ Now for my rebuttal II...

Locke found his knives in the wreckage the same way everyone found their own clothes. (The same way CHARLIE got his GUITAR against all odds!...which, I may point out, is a GOOD DEED that Locke did...)

Ah! See! You just argued against yourself again! They may NOT all be his knives! Maybe there WERE some kind of terrorists on the plane and Locke has just claimed their knives because he knows the proper use for them. Hmmm.

I know what a walkabout is--I read a very long and lengthy fanfic about it once, lol. (Not LotR.) And yeah, you take bare minimum, but the area where Locke was trying to go would have required a lot of knives and stuff. It was about as hostile as the island is. (Obviously he would have carried them in sheaths on his person, not in the big suitcases.)

Yeah, it WOULD help if we knew the homeland security rules. But I still say he could get away with having them in the cargo hold pretty easily. I totally get your "terrorist" scenario, but that's why only airline employees are allowed in the cargo areas. (Can you even get to the cargo area from the passenger part of the plane? And if you can, THAT is something homeland security oughta look at! HELL-LO!)

Locke covered for Walt (about the raft) because of the possible consequences in it for Walt. THINK about what they'd do to Walt if that got out. (And the fact that Locke deduced it in the first place speaks to his intelligence. You can't debate that--he IS smart.) You saw what they were about to do to Jin and Sawyer. And I'm not sure what Michael would think about it--would he understand or would he be really ticked? Locke also may have covered for Walt to protect the extremely tumultous Walt/Michael relationship.

Locke gets touchy-feely about stuff like moth larvae, I don't know why he wouldn't about vegetation.

Hmm. Locke's not afraid of the monster. NICE theory! Why didn't I think of that? And here's a thought--If he DID see the monster and it was "beautiful," then why are we still calling it a monster? Maybe it's a good (misunderstood) thing. We just don't know!

And again, it's possible that Locke is keeping it secret for a GOOD reason. (With this arguement, I'm ruling out the idea that he survived by his hunting skills, I know. I still think it's a possibility, but we don't know.) Maybe everyone on the island will have to face it. Maybe it's a sentient creature and it's asked him not to--or maybe he IS brainwashed, by the monster, and he CAN'T tell them. Maybe that "heart of the island" thing was his subconscious trying to break past the brainwashing. (Wow, I totally made that up just now, lol...)

And you're actually right on one point--he must not have survived via hunter skills, or he would have told everyone how to survive. I'm startign to really like my theory in the above paragraph...

He's well-read! I imagine that being in a wheelchair leaves you a lot of time to read. Was the office miserable and dank? I think you're exaggerating, it was just fluorescent lighting, for pity's sake, it's not like it was mildewed stone walls or anything...

And yeah, we really do need to know WHEN and HOW he became paralyzed before we can figure out where he picked up his survival skills.

If it was Ethan that knocked Sayid over the head, we likely never would have known anyway, unless his evil plans succeeded and he did like so many fictional villains do and explain everything they did to get to where they ended up. Don't make it sound like we lost valuable information because of CHARLIE. ^_-

Yes, at least we agree on that--Sawyer was where he was supposed to be when Sayid got knocked over the head. But maybe Locke said what he did because he just didn't think it through. Even the most intelligent people have occasional "brain farts." (Case in point: ME! ^_^) It's not necessarily him trying to frame Sawyer or anyone else, or trying to deflect blame for something he was guilty of. I know--even when I'm innocent, if someone interrogates me, I get defensive regardless.

As for Elijah--
 Hehehe. I knew that avatar would come in handy someday...

We KNOW what Charlie is capable of when desperate enough for a fix--stealing and breaking a girl's heart, at least. Also resisting (well, avoiding anyway) flight attendants. ^_^ But that was my point--If Locke IS brainwashed and needed Charlie to help with evil plans, he could probably supply Charlie with more drugs on the island, and when Charlie got desperate enough Locke could get him to do ANYTHING. Whereas with helping Charlie kick the habit--yeah, now Charlie owes a lot to Locke, but Charlie's clearheaded enough NOT to do something wrong.

Okay--everyone was paranoid about Ethan and the only reason no one went stark raving mad was Charlie's heroism. *lights candle at the foot of the Charlie-shrine* After the numbers, NOTHING scares Hurley, I don't know how he found out about the polar bear, but just because HE knew doesn't make it common knowledge. Just because no one's running around RAVING about the monster doesn't mean it's not constantly in the back of their minds. The only people who know about the skeletons are Jack, Kate, Locke, and Charlie, so no freaking because they're the ones who are capable of dealing with the burden of the island's mysteries (hence why they're "leaders").

The hatch is different, even to ME. I don't live on the island, and STILL the hatch just BUGS me ten times worse than the other things. The fact that's it's underground bugs me. Lol...the palantir, eh? Again, I think Locke has his reasons. (I'm going back to that theory again--maybe he has "spoken," communed, whatever, with the "monster." Whether he's going along with the monster for the greater good--which is an ep name coming up, coincidentally!--or because he's brainwashed is up for speculation.)

I still understand about Boone and being relieved at Shannon's death, if you don't get it there's no explaining it. And maybe Locke, like me, understands where Boone is coming from, which would explain his nonchalance. (The understanding explains MY nonchalance, see? I didn't even pick up on that being worthy of notice.) And clearly he wasn't SO relieved that he decided to go kill her and make it real. It was just a wake-up call for him.

Ooooh! I would SO check the tape and go over the events of the vision quest...if I had the tape. As luck would have it, I've loaned it to Becky, who wants to catch up on Lost (she wasn't one of us smart people who watched from day one). ^_^ So, go Becky, but GAAAH me! But as I recall, it happened THUSLY:

Boone wants to tell Shannon about the hatch, Locke SAYS okay but then knocks him over the head. Boone wakes up tied up, Locke puts the stuff on, and leaves a knife. Then Boone hears Shannon and cuts himself loose and goes after her and all that jazz.

I assumed from the moment that I knew it WAS a vision quest that when Boone "woke up" he was actually hallucinating, that the drug had already been applied and he was in reality still unconscious--and also that after finding Shannon dead, he hallucinated that he went unconscious again, THEN woke up for real (for the first time since Locke knocked him out) and went back to camp--and that he didn't REALLY do all that running around, that it was all in his head and he never actually left the spot where Locke knocked him out. (In which case Locke COULD have been--and very likely WAS--monitoring him every minute until he came to!) However, I don't see how it matters WHEN Locke drugged him, clearly it was an overall good experience for Boone--it got him to LET GO, which he needed to do.

Now let me get THIS straight--if Locke leaves Boone a knife this is bad because anyone can come along and use it (like Ethan). If Locke DOESN'T leave a knife, this is bad because Boone is unarmed! Make up your mind, will you??? ^_^
 
But Locke DOES trust his "croonies" (your word, what does that mean?), so it's not that he doesn't trust ANYONE, thereby by your logic he might be able to be trusted. ^_^ Ha.

Nothing on that island is "just" anything, I wouldn't take it as "just" a hatch. Unless they KNEW how it got there, or at least had a fairly good idea (like Danielle's shelter can be assumed to have been built by Danielle and her team), I would assume that it was special. (Might I point out that it is supposed to be an UNINHABITED island? A hatch is not NATURAL!)
 
Maybe it was Locke's fault, technically, but things happen that can be someone's FAULT without them being to BLAME for it. Like if I drop a vase and break it, it's my FAULT, but I didn't INTEND to cause harm. So maybe it was Locke's fault that Ethan claimed anohter victim (I'm as bad about Scott and Steve as Hurley is, who died again?), but you can't say that it was necessarily intended on his part.

Jin MUST know who torched the raft because he was trying to STOP them, that's how he got burned, remember? He's got to know it's Walt.

I KNOW the odds of the crash "fixing" Locke are astronomical. Hence why he was so surprised and why he hasn't mentioned that he used to be in a wheelchair. (Among other reasons...I can't think of a reason why letting that bit of info out would benefit anyone.) And they wouldn't necessarily be atrophied, I'm sure he was seeing a good physical therapist to prevent that.

But actually, that's a good point. Maybe he hasn't been paralyzed all that long. Maybe he didn't work for the box company all that long. Hmm...

And by that logic, the "heart of the island" is NOT the monster! Haha, caught you again!

Pandora's box. At least I'm not the only one who thought of that. I WANT them to open the hatch because I'm insanely curious, but I'm afraid of what they'll have to deal with when they do... But anyway. My point was, Locke isn't aware of the numbers, so he doesn't realize that his opening the hatch is a bad thing.

If Locke really is evil (which I don't believe for a minute, not until his eyes glow yellow or something like that), then brainwashing is the only explanation. *sits stubbornly*
 
AFTER Locke was mostly done with the crib, Claire randomly said, "Today's my birthday..." So nothing suspicious there, just a sweet coincidence.

WaFF = Warm and Fuzzy Feelings. ^_^

I doubt his spinal cord was severed, I meant the previous idea. (And yeah, I could buy that--my mother is a living testament to the skill of chiropracters.)

Dreamflower may still be right--maybe they MEANT for Locke to turn out evil and now that people like him they're doing everything they can to dig themselves out of the holes they're in.
 
Do we know that Vincent was a total house dog and was never allowed outside? Maybe he was treated like a lot of people treat their pets here--mostly outside, occasionally inside. (Regardless, you got your laugh with the "four-legged Shannon" thing. ROFL!)

Oh, yay, character comparisons! MORE fun, just like you said!

Sawyer has TOO lied and kept secrets! We don't even know the man's (I use the term "man" rather loosely there, I know, he's not a true "man" IMHO) real name for pity's sake! And he didn't tell Jack that he met Jack's dad! (And while what you said about hicks is totally true, please realize that not everyone born in a rural area is a hick! Some of us are here only because we can't get away yet!) And just because what he's done is understandable (sort of...) doesn't make it RIGHT. At least he hates himself, too. (Now that you've pointed that out I'm feeling a bit more sympathy for him--the fact that he seems to ENJOY being a bad*$$ irritates me.)

Jin may have been lied to, but if I were Sun, I would be scared to death of him and I would want out, too. If he came home covered in BLOOD and then REFUSED TO TELL ME...
 
I know, Kate seems fairly tame now. Perhaps she's taking the fresh start offered her by the crash. I keep thinking of that scene where Jack asked what she did after refusing to let her tell him, and she tells him, "No, you lost your chance." Maybe she was going to be honest and then rethought it, realized she'd get along better if no one knew. (Wait, did she change her mind on that because of the marshal?)

The whole thing being Hurley's delusion? Hmmm...you should probably know that Jorge Garcia WAS the first actor cast for Lost. ^_^ That is going to bug me now. (I hope they don't pull a "Newhart" with this series, have the final ep end with someone in bed and have the entire thing be one huge dream.) I don't think Hurley's sense is so common. (How many people would think to build a golf course? That's UNcommon sense, IMHO.) But why WAS he in the psych ward? And he does have an incredible gift of dealing with people, you're right, that must stem from his being aware of what they're feeling. (To Sawyer: "No offense, man, but you could use the points.")

Hmm. Locke probably DOES know about Walt's "abilities," but he may be honestly wanting to help Walt deal with them the way he helped Boone via the vision quest and Charlie with the drugs.

You really think Claire will go for Charlie once the baby's born? (How could she NOT go for those charms??? Silly girl!) Gosh, I hope so. Spoilers say that when she does go into labor (not this coming ep, but the next) Charlie WILL be there, he WILL panic (can't blame him), and Jack will NOT deliver the baby. (I wanna see Charlie deliver it! Well...no...I want Charlie to be the one, but we can stick with shots of his face and Claire's, lol.)

"They're all on that island for a reason." GEE, ya THINK? ^_-

Ah. That's right. Your theory about Claire and the psychic was from when she was missing. (I'd dearly love to know everything that happened to her during that time!) I don't know where I got that other thing...(to quote Dierks Bentley, "What was I thinking?")

You did fine, lol, at least as far as keeping me entertained and helping to pass the hiatus. As far as changing my mind...you haven't gotten anywhere. ^_-

dreamflower--glad we have an audience. It helps. ^_^ *nort* Armpit hair, indeed...that didn't cross my mind until Kate and Sawyer went swimming, but it did make me giggle when I realized it.

No one's had sunburn? Or no one's been SHOWN with sunburn? Slight difference. And Charlie DID warn Claire about the sun. (And wasn't that part of Jack's thing with his dad, lack of sleep and the heat affecting him?)

Hehe. Red shirts. (Shelly: "I HATE ANOMALIES!")

Hehehe...Charlie doesn't need furry feet and pointy ears. I daresay if he DID have pointy ears I'd drop dead from the sexiness. (This is not a problem as I tend to "die" online at least once every other day, my title on DLBE says, among other things, "random die-er," lol.)

There won't be writer's block--it's JJ Abrams. I don't even watch Alias and I know that the plotting is fantastic. (If I could watch it from the beginning I would probably keep up with it...)

Hehehe. The way Dom looks with a scruffy beard, I'd say the ladies need the razors far more than the men. (Now how come Locke is still completely shaven? He must use one of those knives, lol. But he should share. Somebody make Jack shave! The rest I can take or leave...)

*nort* Rose. Gold ring, silver chain. *nort* But that's points in her favor, actually, I'd trust Frodo with my life. ^_^ (And didn't *I* point that out to *you* originally???)

I want to know the secrets of the island...eventually. I want to know what the monster is before the end of the season, but the whole thing with the numbers and the transmissions and all that can carry over until the next season.

And in two eps, we'll presumably have the answer to the biggest mystery--BOY OR GIRL??? (I hope Claire has the baby on the same ep as she goes into labor, anyway! It better not be a cliffie or Rena may be forced to take action, lol.)

Sweet thoughts...

I got this in an email. I was supposed to send it to 10 people or my lovelife was going to go down the tubes, but since it's already there, I figured I'd just post it. It's still sweet but I'm not going to clutter people's inboxes with it, lol.

 

Think about  this... You may not realize it, but it's 100% true.

1. At least two people in this world love you so much they would die for you.
   
2. At least fifteen people in this world love you in some way.
   
3. The only reason anyone would ever hate you is because they want to be just like you.
   
4. A smile from you can bring happiness to anyone, even if they don't like you.
   
5. Every night, SOMEONE thinks about you before they go to sleep.
   
6. You mean the world to someone.
   
7. If not for you, someone may not be living.
   
8. You are special and unique.
   
9. Someone that you don't even know exists loves you.
   
10. When you make the biggest mistake ever, something good comes from it.
    
11. When you think the world has turned its back on you, take a look: you most likely turned your back on the world.
    
12. When you think you have no chance of getting what you want, you probably won't get it, but if you believe in yourself, probably, sooner or later, you will get it.
    
13. Always remember the compliments you received. Forget about the rude remarks.
    
14. Always tell someone how you feel about them; you will feel much better when they know.
    
15. If you have a great friend, take the time to let them know that they are great.

randomness

Before it becomes irrelevant: The Lost hiatus has been shortened! The next new ep, "Deus Ex Machina," a Locke ep, will air MARCH 30! YAY!

ELIJAH IS ON ELLEN TOMORROW! My mom's going to tape it for me! SQUEE! More on that after I watch it!

Grandma--I think I announced that they brought her home to die. Well, now she's down to one medication, something that keeps her calm (it's called Adavan, but I don't know what it's really for), and as long as she takes that ever so often, she's FINE. Getting better. Eating more. It really seems like she could rally and come back. But one of the home health nurses said not to get our hopes up, sometimes that just happens and people die anyway. So, me being the cynic I am, I'm not really trying to expect anything either way. Whatever happens, happens, not like there's anything I can do about it anyway.

I went to church Sunday. I was soooo not paying attention. I wrote the better part of a Charlie/Claire fic. I DID catch the pastor messing up. He was trying to say "miserable person" and said "piserable merson." ^_^

Nico-isms

Ahh, Nico. Nico the wonderful coworker who makes the hours go faster. Nico who makes me feel comfortable at work. Nico who is always nice to me. In another reality, Nico is a straight, nonsmoking Christian, and I'm marrying him. (Okay. That may be an exaggeration. But still. I would definitely have a crush on him at least.) Unfortunately in this reality he's gay (yes, confirmed, I directly asked him), he smokes, and I have no idea where he stands religiously. (He mentioned his Christian roots once, but I'll get to that in a moment.) So in this reality he's just the really cool coworker. ^_-

But anyway. The point is, I can't explain why he's fun to be around, you just kind of have to hear the kinds of things he says. So, for your reading pleasure, I have started collecting what I have dubbed "Nico-isms." ^_^

• First off, he will randomly sing songs from, like, "The Wizard of Oz" and "Willy Wonka" for no apparent reason. The other day he was singing "Do Your Ears Hang Low?"
• "Argh, I can't sound authoritative when I have the hiccups!"
  "I'm not laughing AT you, I'm laughing NEAR you!"
• He sang some Sunday-school song one day (I recognized it but I've forgotten what it was), and got laughed at, and so he said, "Are you making fun of my Christian roots? ARE YOU? See, I used to have Christian roots, but I dyed them blond!"
• One day he got irritated at someone who was being slow, and was muttering in Spanish while he put dishes in the sink. I asked if he spoke Spanish (being all impressed at that) and he said, "Only when I'm p***ed."
• If you've seen the new "Stepford Wives" like you should, you'll get this: He's said "do si do, do si do, do si do" in a pretty dang good impression of Faith Hill, and done "The Washing Machine." Had me doing it for a minute, too. ^_^
• We have to fill out these books for work, to show that we're trained. It asks questions like "What goes on a supreme chalupa?" and "When are you supposed to clock in and out?" Brooke (one of the managers) gave me a blank one and a filled-out one and told me to copy the answers and I would learn it that way. So then Nico comes up to me and says, "Is this the first time you've been faced with an ethical dilemma? Your boss hands you a book and goes, 'Here, cheat!'?"
• On Monday, the first day of Sandee's (evil b****-monster-from-h***) vacation, he sang "Ding, dong, the witch is dead," and then at the end, under his breath, added, "Not really, she's just on vacation..."
• When asked "What's the point?" he said, "The point is the end of a pencil!"
• He randomly asked me one day, "You're heterosexual, right?" Which, of course, I am. He then proceeded to ask me a "look" question about his chest hair. So then I asked him "What about you?" "What about me?" "Are YOU heterosexual?" His answer: "Oh, no, honey, I'm as queer as they come. And sometimes they don't." Brief pause. "WAIT! I didn't mean the other thing! I just meant--yeah, okay..."
• When I asked what "baja" technically meant, since we have baja sauce and a "tropical"-flavored Mountain Dew called Baja Blast (available ONLY at Taco Bell, lol, and apparently I'm the only one that actually LIKES it, lol. I don't love it, but I can drink it. It's like blue Kool-Aid, only carbonated), he said: "Baja is a Spanish word that means 'lower'. It implies 'lower' quality. That's why the sauce only goes on the icky stuff, and why that name was given to the cr***y pop."
• One day, he sang: "Ta rah rah boom dee ay/Did you get yours today?/I got mine yesterday/That's why I walk this way!" And while I'm laughing insanely at what is presumably a dirty joke, he acts like he thought no one would understand it and says, "Do you GET it? It's a joke about orthopedic inserts!" Which made me laugh even more.

Anyway. I'll keep collecting them. They're too funny not to.